Hostility & the Heart, With Joy Bertrand
October 13, 2025

Joy Betrand is a world-class criminal defense lawyer with valuable insights on lawyer wellness. The stress and trauma of legal work can harm mental and physical health. In this episode, we discuss manifest injustices we’ve encountered in the criminal system, and share coping strategies for stress.
IN THIS EPISODE:
- The infmaous Phoenix “Backpage Trial”;
- Authoritarian and racist policies dressed up as “law and order”;
- Advocating for pregnant women in custody;
- Managing hostility and finding your courage;
- Practical tips for managing stress.
LINKS:
Athena in the Well (fight giants and win – Joy’s podcast)
“Hold Fast” Podcast on the Backpage case (Audible)
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